What Happens Next: A Gallimaufry

melancholic romantic comic cynic. bi & genderqueer. fantasy writer. sysrae on ao3.

: UPDATED

feministdisney:

princessballerinaastronaut:

marching-bagira:

marching-bagira:

thegoddamazon:

marrymegordonramsay:

The last three Disney films that starred POC were the Emperor’s New Groove in 2000, Brother Bear in 2003 and Princess and the Frog in 2009.

What did they have in common?

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Exactly.

Holy shit I never noticed…

Who the fuck cares if Jack Sparrow was played by a white guy? The character himself is played as a POC, he isn’t caucasian and if you look at his father it even more obvious.

I’m not counting ANY movies where they are animals to begin with. That would be stupid I agree.

Also I did fucking google search it and found the whole list of movies dating back to 1937 bitch. I was talking about the 2nd movie Kronk’s New Groove course you wouldn’t know that. And THEN Jungle Book 2 moron. I’m taking the most recent into account but you obviously didn’t think of that.

Esmerelda is as much of a main character as the men are, she is a focal point to the whole entire fucking plot!

Plus you said DISNEY was racist. Cheetah Girls etc. are DISNEY movies. You didn’t specify the fucking animation studios so that is a lack of information on your part.

Brother Bear isn’t fucking racist because its a FICTIONAL GROUP OF PEOPLE. I’m pretty sure their beliefs aren’t found anywhere else within religious groups, if there is ok my bad that i don’t have 100+ religions memorized. THEIR religion is based off of the worship of Mother Nature and the animals that are on the planet, their totems are based off of traits of animals that help guide them within their group. He was turned into a bear because that was the only way to teach him a spiritual lesson. So back the fuck up.

The writers did put it that way but how else were they going to make Princess and the Frog without a way to turn the prince into a god damn FROG! That’s not racist! It’s an adaption of a fucking fairy tale.

They aren’t irrelevant to the time line because they are still around. If you go into a Disney store their merchandise is still selling, and it has been for fucking years. Just because they haven’t tried to sequel their movies anymore doesn’t make them irrelevant. You can’t just pick and choose what you feel like.

And if I made it confusing I was trying to say that those movies don’t count, but you know I’m pretty sure by your standards there are a lot of voice actors who are POC, just fucking saying.

My ass is doing just fine, but you might want to get a doctor to check out that giant fucking ego you’ve got and pick up some aloe at the store while you’re at it. 

What the fuck ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Jack Sparrow and his father are both white British dudes, played by white dudes.

BEING DIRTY AND WEARING EYELINER DOESN’T MAKE YOU A POC.

The conversation was always about the WALT DISNEY ANIMATED STUDIOS portion of Disney and the films they put out for theatrical release. Sequels don’t count. Live action tv shows don’t count. Live action movies don’t count. They are headed by different people, different executives. It’s practically like saying “the Redskins are racist" and then you saying “BUT THE GIANTS AREN’T RACIST" and then saying it’s at all relevant because they’re both in the NFL.

Esmeralda is not the main character. She’s awesome yes, but she exists as a point of conflict and desire for the lead character, the villain and the male supporting character. She is a supporting character, the film is about Quasimodo. That’s a non disputable fact.

Here’s the thing about Brother Bear: it’s a homogenization of Native cultures, taking them all and blending them into one and exaggerating bits of their spiritual and religious cultures and blending them into the idea that fucking spirits will turn you into your damn totem. Plenty of Natives found the film offensive and if you’re not native you have like 0% right to say shit about their feelings.

Yes, the Frog Prince is about a prince who turns into a frog. But the picture up there isn’t of the Prince. It’s of Tiana, the woman who, if they had stuck to the source material, would be a princess in her own right, not a poor girl working herself to death to achieve her dreams and dealing with sexism and racism along the way. And she never turns into a frog-she stays human, and visible as a human, the entire fairytale. The people who created Princess and the Frog decided to turn her into a frog too.

They are relevant to the timeline because we were talking about A VERY SPECIFIC RANGE OF TIME, CAN YOU EVEN READ?

And you want to talk about merchandise? Fine, let’s talk about merchandise. I do it all the fucking time on my blog but hey, let’s take a swing at it

Right now:

Ariel has 89 items in the Disney Store

Aurora has 38 items

Belle has 68 items

Cinderella has 73 items

Merida has 59 items

Rapunzel has 89 items.

Snow White has a whopping 112 items

So that’s cool. Plenty of things to choose from for the fans of those princesses. Maybe a little bare for Aurora, but hey, once her movie comes out on blu-ray I’m sure there will be plenty more.

But let’s look at the WOC princesses:

Jasmine has 24 items available

Mulan has 14 items

Pocahontas has 12 items, though 3 of the items are just different versions of her movie, and two of the items are “collections" of the rest of her items, so it’s basically only 7 distinct things.

Tiana has 17 items.

But hey, let’s talk about other movies with POC to see what the pickings are for them.

Well, Lilo & Stitch has 19 items, but only 2 of them are Lilo—the rest are dvds or Stitch, and an alien doesn’t count as POC either.

When you search the Jungle Book, you come up with 4 items, but 2 of them are the same game for different platforms (that isn’t even about the Jungle Book) and the other 2 are collectibles that aren’t that much fun for kids to play with.

The only thing you can get for the Emperor’s New Groove is the movie. You can’t even get the sequel.

The same goes for Brother Bear, though you can get the sequel to this fim

And if we talk about merchandise where a group of princesses are shown, it’s even worse.

Because you either have blatant tokenism where maybe 1 WOC princess will be featured with a few other white princesses, if at all. RARELY there will be two, and they will almost always be either Tiana or Jasmine. I’ve seen mulan on a couple of things, but good luck finding Pocahontas

like this bedspread

or this cover up

Or, perhaps more infuriating, when all the princesses are featured, the WOC are in the back (with MAYBE the exception of Tiana or Jasmine)

Like this water bottle

or 

this nightgown

or this other nightgown

or this tshirt where Pocahontas and Jasmine appear to be as white as Ariel and Cinderella

But,

more

often

than

not

they

aren’t

there

at

all

PS: Mulan and Pocahontas both have sequels, and Aladdin has 2 sequels, and was the first film to ever have a sequel (unless you count Rescuers Down Under, which was really a standalone film and was in theaters, so) but none of those films has kept Disney from trying to throw them in the back as much as possible.

Do not come into a conversation you no nothing about and then go around throwing out bullshit information and qualifiers that have 0% to do with the conversation, and then bitch and moan when you get called out for it. Especially when you’re arguing with someone who is practically a god damn expert in the material being argued.

I’m not a mean person. I don’t like to watch people make absolute fools of themselves so you can just stop now and it’ll all be over, ok?

But as a gesture of good will, I’ll go buy that aloe for you so those burns don’t hurt too much :)

good update. The people trying to pick apart that post have been annoying and usually racist. Like Jeeeez if you understand the point is that a LOT OF POC CHARACTERS HAVE BEEN MADE INTO ANIMALS FOR MUCH OF THEIR RECENT FILMS

you don’t need to spend 5 friggin paragraphs bringing up every single movie or acting like the post did some grave injustice by forgetting a movie or two. Like literally the point is not any different whether or not they were consecutive films so like

priorities please

Also, trying to use The Cheetah Girls as an example of Disney being not racist is also a spectacular fail when you consider that THEY ACTIVELY BILKED THE ORIGINAL CREATOR, A WOC, OUT OF ALL HER EARNINGS via devious and shitty Hollywood accounting. 

To quote:

“Disney officials, asked to explain why Gregory has not received any net profits – and to estimate the collective revenue that "the Cheetah Girls has generated – declined to respond. "Disney Channel doesn’t comment on the terms of its contracts,” spokeswoman Patti McTeague said in an e-mail.

“This is an old, old story in Hollywood,” said literary agent Nicholas Ellison, who has represented numerous clients in book-to-film negotiations. When studios are asked why an author has not received any net profits, he said, they often point to expenses that have grown larger than expected and contend that a hit picture has not, in fact, made money.

It’s called “Hollywood accounting,” and in some cases studios may be on solid ground, citing legitimate costs such as promotion and development. But in other cases, contracts contain definitions of “net profits” that make it all but impossible for an author to collect money that once seemed tantalizingly at hand.“

So, on that count? A big FUCK NO where Disney is concerned.

(Source: marrymejasonsegel, via karnythia)

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    Also Kida, Sweets and Audrey were poc in Atlantis the Lost Empire and they weren’t turned into animals. And BH6, the poc...
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